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Posted - 2006.11.15 04:22:00 -
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This has been a good day. May there be many more like it.
Death to slavery!
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Posted - 2006.11.16 03:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
...If the person behind this is the traitor Muritor, as I am sure everyone with half a brain suspects, he is not Republic Fleet personnel. I have it from a very reliable source that the Fleet would very much like him back, and are in no way co-operating with his terrorist acts and efforts to encite a war...
The lady speaks the truth. This is not the work of the Republic. They are politicians chained like slaves to a treaty. This is the work of free men.
I know full well what warmongers the Amarr are but I would have thought them smarter than to try and pick a fight with more innocents. Especially considering they cannot handle the enemies they already have.
Warriors of freedom unite! The time draws near for the Empire to renounce slavery or for it to die.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Revanant
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Don't you talk to me about honor, slaver. I believe what I have from reliable sources.
Believe what you want. It's of no consequence. But Republic ships and ammo (at a minimum) were used.
And don't think the Empire needs an excuse to attack the Republic. With God's grace it will happen with the crowning of our next Emperor. Amarr Navy special forces already make regular attacks on terrorists in Republic space. It won't be long until the attacks are by the main fleet against Republic targets.
That equipment and ammunition was stolen from the Republic. It's use against you animals in no way indicates Republic complicity. At least not to a rational, sentient being. Some of my men have in the past used stolen Amarr ships to attack slaver convoys. Does this mean the Empire attacks it's own shipping?
The theft of those ships and the treason that followed is a matter of public and verified record. If the Republic Fleet had mobilised you would know about it. Fortunately for you warmongers the Republic is led by peaceful and diplomatic people.
Unlike the other slavers at least you are honest. The Empire does not need an excuse to attack the Republic, State or Federation. It has always openly stated it's goal of galactic domination and enslavement. We all know that as soon as you recover from the butchering you recieved the last time you tried to 'reclaim' that which you never had that you would try again.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Revanant
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Darth Revanant
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Don't you talk to me about honor, slaver. I believe what I have from reliable sources.
Believe what you want. It's of no consequence. But Republic ships and ammo (at a minimum) were used.
And don't think the Empire needs an excuse to attack the Republic. With God's grace it will happen with the crowning of our next Emperor. Amarr Navy special forces already make regular attacks on terrorists in Republic space. It won't be long until the attacks are by the main fleet against Republic targets.
That equipment and ammunition was stolen from the Republic. It's use against you animals in no way indicates Republic complicity. At least not to a rational, sentient being.
You say it was stolen, yet the Republic authorities do nothing to punish the 'theives' or reclaim their stolen property. I say it's an excuse to let the 'theives' do the work the Republic doesn't have the balls to do officially.
They certainly did try to stop the good Captain. Thanks to a lot of luck and people, traitors, such as myself they failed. Now those ships can be used to bring freedom to our people and herald the death of slavery.
You can throw around as many wild accusations as you like. While being gullible enough to believe anything that allows you kill civilians seems to be a purely Amarrian trait the rest of us look for evidence. Proof even. You have neither.
Originally by: Darth Revanant
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Some of my men have in the past used stolen Amarr ships to attack slaver convoys. Does this mean the Empire attacks it's own shipping?
If those amarr ships were of Imperial designation, like the Defiants' are of Republic designation, then this arguement would be valid. But I've never seen a terrorist in an Imperial ship. Though it wouldn't surprise me to see given the superior quality of those ships, the lack of loyalty of the terrorists, and the loose conditions with wich those ships are given out, I would comdemn any Imperial official who allowed it to happen.
The argument is perfectly valid. If a ship, item of equipment or a clip of ammo is stolen from someone they are not responsible for the actions of the thief. Perhaps you should blame the Ardishapur family for the uprising led by Drupar. After all he killed the holder with a stolen Amarrian Khumaak and sparked the uprising. Do you condemn Ardishapur for allowing it to happen?
You may well condemn any pilot under your command for his no doubt numerous failings. Until you serve the Republic Fleet and swear loyalty to the Minmatar Republic it is not within your rights to sit in judgement of it's officers.
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If the Republic Fleet had mobilised you would know about it.
No one's claiming the Defiants are Republic Fleet.
Excellent. Then since we all know full well that the Defiants are not the Republic Fleet then we can stop blaming the Republic for the attacks in the Bleak Lands can't we. I'm sure you could have reached this conclusion on your own, you people need to stop relying on us Matari as much as you do. It makes you weak.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
...you and the likes of Muritor are working to let them in.
Ever consider it might be the likes of us that keep them out? Ever consider the possibility that were it not for the likes of us taking the war to the enemy that you would be seeing more than raids on the border worlds by now? Ever consider it might be the likes of us that stand between our people and extinction?
No need to answer, just consider it.
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Posted - 2006.11.22 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
...you and the likes of Muritor are working to let them in.
Ever consider it might be the likes of us that keep them out? Ever consider the possibility that were it not for the likes of us taking the war to the enemy that you would be seeing more than raids on the border worlds by now? Ever consider it might be the likes of us that stand between our people and extinction?
No need to answer, just consider it.
The last time I checked, U'K-claimed space did not lie between Amarr and the Republic.
We have developed ships capable of warp speeds. They are also able to use jump gates. You may wish to review your military intelligence, we don't actually use spears anymore.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Cz Ire
..unlike you, have the clarity of vision to know that such divisiveness does not serve our cause. The time is not yet right. It is certainly drawning close. But claiming "The Time is Now, Because I am here" doesnt hold with me...
Karishal is being honest and direct. By casting him and all who fight for freedom as traitors it is the Republic that is being divisive.
Originally by: Cz Ire
Consider this, Ushra'Kan. Unity can be more than a catch-phrase...
Then stop hurling jibes and unite with us.
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Posted - 2006.11.27 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cz Ire
no disrespect, but were you awake when you made that post, Thrace?
Karishal is very much *not* being honest and direct. that is my entire problem. he has stolen fleet property and will not discuss his intentions with us.
If a U'k pilot walked away with several capital ships, plus a support fleet, with no meaningful contact afterwards, and operating those vessels in direct defiance of U'K policy, I doubt you would consider him anything other than a traitor yourself. Im certain you would not claim him to be "honest and direct"
I recognize the good that Ushra'kan does, despite their faults. Its a pity that U'k doesnt understand the necessity of the republic, despite its flaws.
For lack of better knowledge, I am forced to assume the worst - and act accordingly.
It's a shame Namtz'aar k'in can't divert that agression at the slavers that they are so quick to throw it at other Matari. Any Nefanter in your bloodline? no disrespect intended.
Karishal stole those ships granted. Then he made a clear statement of intent to use them to bring freedom to our people. If you expect the man your Republic hung out to dry, the man it has denounced as a traitor to suddenly give you detailed deployment plans then you are a fool.
I can see no more direct course of action than taking up arms and fighting the enemy of our people.
As far as the topic is ever discussed I assure you the Ushra'Khan undertand the need for a Republic. Personally speaking I don't think your Republic fits the bill. I'd push for an election if anyone would listen but people like me have been denounced as traitors and I'm pretty sure that means we don't get a vote. Nor would those of us still in the camps.
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Posted - 2006.11.28 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cz Ire
...What I have never understood, thrace, is your, karishal's, the Thukker, everyone's decision to leave the republic, rather than try to fix it...You demand us to join with you; yet refuse to join with us....
I was not under the impression the Thukker had ever been members of the Republic to leave it. Many of us in the Ushra'Khan have never served or lived in the Republic. Our overriding concern is the freedom of our people and in fact the end of slavery. The Republic does not serve that purpose to any meaningful degree, it merely looks after those who are already free. 'Fixing' a Republic that does not bring us closer to our goal sounds like wasted effort to me.
When I served the Republic I saw things that after a time I could no longer bear. To have to accept a medical shipment from an Imperial Envoy who talked of resolution while at the same time my agents sent back footage of his corporations slave workers being worked to death. Or the numerous occasions I was asked to ignore a mayday, turn my back on a cry for help from a friend simply because we did not want to risk a war with their enemy.
I cannot live like that. I cannot live in your Republic. When the enemy of my people stands before me I shoot him, when my friends call out for help I rally to their side.
I never demanded you join us. We are a diverse group, many tribes, many races, all united in our mission to end slavery. Some of us are ex-Republic. Some are Caldari socialists. Some are Amarr who believe in a different path to god than the Imperials. When you commented that unity can be more than a catchphrase I suggested you end the bickering by uniting with us. It was not a demand at all.
Of course I refuse to join with you. If I united with you would you cease to hunt Karishal? would you assist our offensive in the Bleak Lands? will you wage war on the slavers with us? would you allow us to continue our mission under your banner?
I doubt you would. Any who wish to take up arms against slavery are welcome by my side. Even if you can barely fly a Rifter Kainda can turn you into a warrior in the training camps of the Kinda'Shujaa. I you ever think I would lay down arms and return to a Republic that seeks peace and placation of the slavers you will be disappointed.
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:21:00 -
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Karishal is an experienced officer and no doubt has considered these matters as well. Sadly the Republic leadership seems to have convinced itself that it is better off reacting to the Empires eventual attack rather than acting and seizing the initiative. That is an error in judgement that will be costly. If my analysis is correct then the opening stages of the invasion will put a fully operation swarm of Imperial ships in the heart of the Republic, if you are wrong about being able to hold the line what is your fall back position going to be? Where will you have to withdraw to? No, I do not expect an answer.
While I am more concerned about liberating our enslaved brothers I also do not want to see my brothers in the Republic 'reclaimed'. I fight the enemy now in his space using tactics we are best suited to. Karishal is doing the same. Sadly we both had to become traitors to the Republic to do it but it is the best hope our people, including those in the Republic, have.
As for the theft of those ships. Look on the bright side, now you can tighten up security so you don't find Nefantar agents in your warp reactor room on the eve of battle. Please trust me, those ships are doing more now for the Matari people than they would have done waiting for the Imperial fleet to swarm upon them.
You cannot fight the Amarr like Amarr. We can beat them but only if we fight as Matari. If you insist on hunting Karishal then at the very least also investigate Amarrian shipping and facilities in the area. You will see what I mean.
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:21:00 -
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Alright, enough of the snipes. We both have reasons for the bad blood between us. We go in circles now. Let me put something new in front of you. It uncomfortable news but comfort is something we must do without.
I had some time doing a recent solar storm to mull this over. This is my opinion on the situation. This is my analysis. Agree or disagree I ask you to keep an open mind and if doubt gather the evidence yourselves.
We tell you that Amarr will come for you, you tell us you will be ready. I don't think you are and I don't think you ever will be. This is not rhetoric, this is not a heartfelt plea. I have served the Republic and I now fight with the Ushra'Khan. Having seen this 'issue' from both sides I will give you my strategic and tactical analysis.
The Amarr construction facilities and shipyards are numerous. Slave labour is after all cheap and Sebiestor are excellent engineers. Add to these the facilities in the Ammatar Mandate. Combined they can output far more ships than the Republic. You cannot outbuild them, you will lose the arms race.
If you wait for them to attack the Republic, which they will do unless they are stopped, you face three main problems:
Firstly, Amarrian ships and tactics are all centered around fleet actions. Not only do they have more ships and the capacity to outbuild you, they are built to go toe to toe with other vessels of the same class. Even if you could match them ship for ship the Amarr in fleet actions are far stronger than the component parts of the fleet. You cannot best them in a stand up, even sided, fleet action.
Secondly, the Amarr will use the civilian population against you. What is the use of trying to defend your people when the enemy can ignore your fleet and bombard populated areas from orbit. They will be able to meet your ships in space and still have enough firepower in reserve to burn the Republic out from under you. Your forces will be split between trying to defeat the enemy and save the people.
Thirdly, most pilots in the Republic are used to fighting fast skirmishes against raiders and pirates. These tactics will do you no good against a golden fleet while it is bombarding your cities. Those of us who have gone toe to toe with even a moderately sized Amarrian fleet can tell you they are fearsome. Not unbeatable but in those cases we didn't have to worry about a civilian population so time was on our side. Your tactical options will be limited to the tactics the Amarr excel at.
So, how to answer each of these problems. Our ships were built for fast skirmishes and guerilla warfare. Hit and run tactics are the key to fighting these slow moving golden hulks. Get in fast, pick off key targets and withdraw until you can carry out a second pass. You can't use hit and run tactics if you have nowhere to run to though. Sitting and waiting for the enemy to come to you denies you this as an effective tactic.
You need to also keep the enemy away from your population centres. The nature of space travel and the range of their siege weapons means that if you wait for them to strike the only warning you will get will be a fleet rolling through a Cyno field over Pator. If you take the fight to them then not only do you have the area needed for hit ad run tactics but tie up the bulk of their forces in their space. This means your civilian population is safer and you can commit more of your forces to the fight rather than humanitarian efforts.
If you target their shipyards and construction facilities you not only destroy ships before they are operational, you reduce enemy capacity. By liberating slaves not only do you deplete their work force, you bolster you own. That is aside from and in addition to all moral aspects of course.
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:21:00 -
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Karishal is an experienced officer and no doubt has considered these matters as well. Sadly the Republic leadership seems to have convinced itself that it is better off reacting to the Empires eventual attack rather than acting and seizing the initiative. That is an error in judgement that will be costly. If my analysis is correct then the opening stages of the invasion will put a fully operation swarm of Imperial ships in the heart of the Republic, if you are wrong about being able to hold the line what is your fall back position going to be? Where will you have to withdraw to? No, I do not expect an answer.
While I am more concerned about liberating our enslaved brothers I also do not want to see my brothers in the Republic 'reclaimed'. I fight the enemy now in his space using tactics we are best suited to. Karishal is doing the same. Sadly we both had to become traitors to the Republic to do it but it is the best hope our people, including those in the Republic, have.
As for the theft of those ships. Look on the bright side, now you can tighten up security so you don't find Nefantar agents in your warp reactor room on the eve of battle. Please trust me, those ships are doing more now for the Matari people than they would have done waiting for the Imperial fleet to swarm upon them.
You cannot fight the Amarr like Amarr. We can beat them but only if we fight as Matari. If you insist on hunting Karishal then at the very least also investigate Amarrian shipping and facilities in the area. You will see what I mean.
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:21:00 -
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Alright, enough of the snipes. We both have reasons for the bad blood between us. We go in circles now. Let me put something new in front of you. It uncomfortable news but comfort is something we must do without.
I had some time doing a recent solar storm to mull this over. This is my opinion on the situation. This is my analysis. Agree or disagree I ask you to keep an open mind and if doubt gather the evidence yourselves.
We tell you that Amarr will come for you, you tell us you will be ready. I don't think you are and I don't think you ever will be. This is not rhetoric, this is not a heartfelt plea. I have served the Republic and I now fight with the Ushra'Khan. Having seen this 'issue' from both sides I will give you my strategic and tactical analysis.
The Amarr construction facilities and shipyards are numerous. Slave labour is after all cheap and Sebiestor are excellent engineers. Add to these the facilities in the Ammatar Mandate. Combined they can output far more ships than the Republic. You cannot outbuild them, you will lose the arms race.
If you wait for them to attack the Republic, which they will do unless they are stopped, you face three main problems:
Firstly, Amarrian ships and tactics are all centered around fleet actions. Not only do they have more ships and the capacity to outbuild you, they are built to go toe to toe with other vessels of the same class. Even if you could match them ship for ship the Amarr in fleet actions are far stronger than the component parts of the fleet. You cannot best them in a stand up, even sided, fleet action.
Secondly, the Amarr will use the civilian population against you. What is the use of trying to defend your people when the enemy can ignore your fleet and bombard populated areas from orbit. They will be able to meet your ships in space and still have enough firepower in reserve to burn the Republic out from under you. Your forces will be split between trying to defeat the enemy and save the people.
Thirdly, most pilots in the Republic are used to fighting fast skirmishes against raiders and pirates. These tactics will do you no good against a golden fleet while it is bombarding your cities. Those of us who have gone toe to toe with even a moderately sized Amarrian fleet can tell you they are fearsome. Not unbeatable but in those cases we didn't have to worry about a civilian population so time was on our side. Your tactical options will be limited to the tactics the Amarr excel at.
So, how to answer each of these problems. Our ships were built for fast skirmishes and guerilla warfare. Hit and run tactics are the key to fighting these slow moving golden hulks. Get in fast, pick off key targets and withdraw until you can carry out a second pass. You can't use hit and run tactics if you have nowhere to run to though. Sitting and waiting for the enemy to come to you denies you this as an effective tactic.
You need to also keep the enemy away from your population centres. The nature of space travel and the range of their siege weapons means that if you wait for them to strike the only warning you will get will be a fleet rolling through a Cyno field over Pator. If you take the fight to them then not only do you have the area needed for hit ad run tactics but tie up the bulk of their forces in their space. This means your civilian population is safer and you can commit more of your forces to the fight rather than humanitarian efforts.
If you target their shipyards and construction facilities you not only destroy ships before they are operational, you reduce enemy capacity. By liberating slaves not only do you deplete their work force, you bolster you own. That is aside from and in addition to all moral aspects of course.
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Posted - 2006.12.01 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cz Ire
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
in those cases we didn't have to worry about a civilian population so time was on our side
The above statement bothers me. it is true, out in providence, bleak lands or wherever your fight currently takes you, that you do not have to worry about civilians. However, I do. The reason I oppose your actions is because, fighting as you are, the amarrians do not, in many cases, have a target to counterattack. So, they will come and take vengence upon matari planets...
This is the crux of our different ways of seeing the situation. The Empire will come for the Republics civilian population regardless. Not out of revenge, it is simply their goal. By striking the vipers in their nest we reduce their ability to strike at Matari civilians. The aim of course being to reduce that capability to nil.
You speak about a war to come, I speak of a war we are already fighting. When the time comes for the Republic to rally retain a defensive force but also raid the enemy. Quick on attack, slow on defence.
I know your men are trained in guerilla tactics but there is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. I hope that when the day comes that difference is not too great.
For the record I fly Thukker ship designs built in my own shipyards but I understand your point. We have not forgotten our blood even if we disagree on politics.
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Posted - 2006.12.05 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sepherim
I must admit that I love it when they just try to mask the simple event: you were defeated, crushed completely...
I see none of our men seeking to mask anything. We lost that battle. Just as the slavers have lost battles. We are far from crushed, this war is far from over.
On the subject of war, we are still waiting on your formal declaration.
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Posted - 2006.12.06 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Pezzle
Edited by: Pezzle on 05/12/2006 14:08:51
Karishal, the traitor and rebel that he is, stirred up the trouble. Those who chose to heed his call are pacified.
The Defiant mission failed and it cost them resources.
We would have been more than happy to eliminate that carrier as well, had it not retreated so soon.
Remember well that Karishal is not a savior or a beacon of hope. Karishal has gone mad and will bring doom to any who follow him.
Amarr Victor
We have not been pacified. The mission is not over. The war is not over. You can kill us a thousand times but we will still rise.
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Posted - 2006.12.07 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sepherim
Originally by: Jurskjeld
I'll kill YOU infinity + infinity TIMES infinity, so don't even bother
Phrases like this really show why you are where you are, and not where you could have been. *Sigh*
Snide comments like this while ignoring the ridiculous comment from Rodj that spawned Jurskjeld's rsponse speak volumes about the Amarr.
We lost an engagement. Nothing more. Enjoy your victories while they last.
This has degraded once more into the quagmire of petty Amarrian word games and school yard bragging. I will continue the 'debate' in space with guns rather than words.
Oh, thats right. Still no war declaration from Ordo Quaesitoris, I thought fear was not your creed or some such.
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Posted - 2006.12.07 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sepherim
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
We lost an engagement. Nothing more. Enjoy your victories while they last.
You should inform yourself better, then. There's been three battles, and Minmatarr forces have already lost two of them.
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Oh, thats right. Still no war declaration from Ordo Quaesitoris, I thought fear was not your creed or some such.
Indeed, it's not, like information is not in yours. There's not such a declaration due to three main reasons:
A) We know our limits.
B) We don't have the funds to issue such a declaration.
C) We don't care about what you do outside the Empire. External threats are not of our concern, there are plenty of organizations dealing with them appropriately.
If you want to issue it, we will welcome the battle with our lasers and wrath. No fear.
I am speaking of the last engagement you fool. I have never stated anything other than we lost it. Do you think that means you have won the war? Perhaps you have only fought in three battles, I assure you there have been many more.
Hide behind the Empire, Concord and your allies then. It is obvious you have a loud bark but no teeth. If I ever see you on the field of battle I will try to contain my suprise long enough to incinerate your ship.
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Posted - 2006.12.08 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sepherim
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
I am speaking of the last engagement you fool. I have never stated anything other than we lost it. Do you think that means you have won the war? Perhaps you have only fought in three battles, I assure you there have been many more.
Not in the Bleak Lands conflict, no, only three. So yes, we are winning the war.
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If I ever see you on the field of battle I will try to contain my suprise long enough to incinerate your ship.
I was there, so look better next time. So I look forward to your bullets.
The war against slavery did not begin in the Bleak Lands, it will not end there.
My duty cycles prohibit me from joining in the battles in the Bleak Lands at this time. If you only have the balls to come out of your hole and fight when you can hide behind an allied fleet I imagine I will have to be patient if I am to take your head.
I still extend the offer for you to back up that attitude of yours with action. A war declaration would allow us to fight at any hour of the day in any region. Like true warriors. Until that happens you are just some half-breed mutt barking from the sidelines.
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